This is not to imply thatonlythese parts are important as every component should be closely scrutinized. organized, dont tell you a lot about what youre buying, and leave you on your If you just purchased it you know the "value", if acquired some other way a picture would be necessary to give you a good idea. These stamps were commercially manufactured for use on the of the barrel channel from approximately 3 3/16" to 4 1/16" to strengthen the wood in the area of the barrel band. 4 1/16" (approx.) Forgeries are a serious concern for collectors. The rear sight is a Type I dual flip up aperture. However, if a carbine has all of the above parts (T4 barrel band, rotary safety, adjustable sight, parkerized bolt, etc.) Thinning on the trigger group. The rifle comes with a 15 round magazine. It is in about Good condition. All things being equal, the value of an original carbine is greater than even the best restoration. Doing so may alter Overall Condition:This rifle retains about 87% of its metal finish. Sights / Optics:The front sight is a bladed post set between 2 protective wings. A little history of Saginaw (S.G.) and its carbines. Such carbines may be fine collector items, but are not as desirable or valuable as original, unrestored carbines. subcontractors, suppliers, members of the military or government, and others to show appreciation for their assistance and cooperation The fact that the vast majority of these weapons were subsequently modified after the war during the extensive post-war overhaul (rebuilding) programs has resulted in unaltered carbines being rather elusive. It must not be inferred that if a carbine has a round bolt or an adjustable rear sight, it has been altered. The letters were followed by barrel channel (top) During WWII the only stocks made with Birch were made by Sprague & Carleton Co. of Keene, NH for IBM (SC-B). Photograph has been reversed to show the appearance of markings that would be produced by the fake stamps. be complicated. reconstruction of this history, we have a short survey on our forum (with instructions) That's peDersen with a "D", by the way. Overall Condition:This rifle retains about 90% of its metal finish as refinished. Lock, Stock & Barrel Investments Most of our products are unique. If a carbine appears to have all of the proper vintage, correctly coded parts and doesnt seem to have been refinished, the possibility exists that the weapon has been correctly restored. These sold for around $1.00 to $1.75 retail (new in wrapper) before the U.S. (September, 1994) magazine ban, and even less by the case. This website uses cookies for functionality, analytics and advertising purposes as described in our. This website uses cookies for functionality, analytics and advertising purposes as described in our, Specific M1 Carbine Contractor Discussions. A wide indention in the wood in this area found on a carbine with a narrow barrel band is another definite indication that the stock in question had the later type of barrel band installed at one time. were parkerized, the tint and texture of these parts varied. Sapwood is pale yellow-gray to nearly white. Get a heads up on all of our Sales, Promotions, and news updates (about 1 email per month). The U.S. Carbine Caliber .30 Stock Group Wood & Finish Walnut Birch The two most common types of wood used for Caliber .30 Carbine stocks and handguards were American Black Walnut and Yellow Birch. The stamps used for the Caliber .30 Carbine stocks are also available. What does a 10,000 dollar insulator look like? The rear sight is a Type I dual flip up aperture. American Black Walnut had a long history of More pics on my later response. Some people estimate a carbine's date of manufacture by adding the quantities manufactured month to month 7 day inspection period on all website purchases. Simi Valley, CA 93065. Most everything can be easily bought online these days. Spend your time enjoying the gun you want, not getting frustrated with a complex website that makes gun buying hard. Such markings can be sanded off by someone wishing to remove such evidence so any sanded areas make the stock suspect. Keep in mind, U.S. Most of these marks are light or small. Markings: There is no visible import mark. Manufacture date shows 9-43 with barrel date 9-43. Oval sling cut, Low Wood exposes slide. The Type I rear sight is marked with a partial S on the left which is consistent with Saginaw SG and others (page 29). And our The example on the bottom of the handgrip (below) shows the circled P in san serif within a 1/2 inch diameter circle over stamped with an Ordnance rebuild P. Carbines having been rebuilt more than once will sometimes have It has a barrel stamp of 10-43, but also has the stamp of Blue Sky/ Arlington, VA. Everything appears to be original and shows very little wear. Make:Irwin-Pedersen. It is this Here is my $50 Saginaw S'G' - IP Carbine. Irwin-Pedersenran into a number of production issues and was not able to fulfill their government contract. Military AAY inspector stamp on left of stock near reciever. There are 2 Saginaw Gear manufacturers of M1 Carbines. While most major component parts such as receivers, barrels (with a few exceptions), trigger housings, etc. Box, Paperwork & Accessories:There is no magazine. Location: The People's Glorious Republik of Southern Kalifornistan. Markings:There is no visible import mark. The resulting grooves could serve as a precision mounting for something, night-sight or other. The inside of the operating slide is marked SG which is a Saginaw Gear mark (page 65). Assuming the parts appear to be consistent with the vintage of the carbine, the markings should be closely examined. Most websites are poorly Saginaw Gear made receivers with wide locking tangs. Four of the prime contractors did not have the ability Some fake stock markings have recently been applied by unscrupulous people. Saginaw Carbines made at the Irwin-Pedersen Grand Rapids, Michigan factory are marked SG . I just picked up a sear marked "XI". Any opinions on how rare/popular collector is a Saginaw stamped M-1 Carbine? .30 M1. and the top rear is marked SAGINAW S G / 1872994. NOTE: We have added in the descriptions of parts we have of different markings we have come across over the years. Overall, this rifle rates in about Very Good Plus condition as refinished. Year of Manufacture:1942 to 1944. A carbine that has obviously seen some use will show battering of the slide in this area. Used early in production. After the Irwin-Pedersen was canceled. The right side of the butt is marked with a crossed cannons cartouche and SG in a box which is a Saginaw SG mark (page 124). A circled P in san serif within a 1/2 inch diameter circle stamped in the bottom of the handgrip (above left) was sometimes used as a proof mark at several prime contractor facilities to indicate a completed carbine The bore shows an M.E. The early Type I stock is a Saginaw SG stock made after SG took over the factory, but it was still made in the samefactory as the previous Type IIrwin-Pedersen stocks. The Type I rear sight is marked with a partial S on the left, RP on the right, and RP on the front of the aperture which are Irwin-Pedersen marks (page 29). The ebb and flow of mass production created parts surpluses and shortages for all the prime contractors, barrels included. It should be remembered, however, that the arsenal rebuild procedures did not always include reparkerizing the metal. the machining of the wood below the recoil plate to provide better support. There is no bayonet lug. This is not to imply thatonlythese parts are important as every component should be closely scrutinized. The top front of the receiver is marked U.S. IP and S'G' mixed. I acquired a Saginaw M1 carbine from a family member this morning. Saginaw Carbines made in the Grand Rapids, Michigan factory are marked SG . Ser. Garand rifles, though some could be used to replicate or forge the markings on the U.S. Carbines. .30 M1. and the top rear is marked IRWIN-PEDERSON / 1767065. two Ordnance rebuild P's. To strengthen the stock where the bridge had previously been located the wood of the type V their historical value. due to a lack of original documentation. Saginaw = SG; Saginaw (Grand Rapids) = SG Standard Products = S; Irwin-Pedersen = IP; IBM = B; Rock Ola = R; National Postal Meter = N; Quality Hardware = Q; Underwood = U; Therefore, for example, a carbine made by Rock Ola would be On the other hand, a detailed examination of a carbine is not always possible and the above parts can be looked at without even picking up the carbine from a gun show table. Parts marked with any other contractors code are almost always a sure sign that the carbine is not all original. Some of these blocks were split up and used before or after other blocks. Some were sequential but many were not. The barrel is marked "SAGINAW S.G. DIV. This resulted in an unknown number of "presentation" carbines possibly having the same serial number as the earlier Engineering carbines. If a stock has the longer barrel channel and thicker wood but is absent the cutout for the The Grand Rapids facility stopped carbine production on 01 Jan 1944 but continued to make receivers and trigger housings which were sent to the Saginaw Plant for assembly. The key parts to observe are the rear sight, bolt, stock, safety and barrel band. Overall, the gun is in nice condition. As a new member I must admit that my interest in the M1 carbine was relatively limited until I found a little beauty that my favorite gun dealer had originally wanted to keep for himself. Newer Post , Spotting a Restored or otherwise non-original M1 Carbine. The rifle was originally assembled with the Underwood barrel, so the barrel is still considered a matching part. There are some ethical issues involved in restorations, which is another discussion for another time. Refer to the page on Post World War II Activities for a list of the markings and further information. Late during the production of their type III M1 stocks, Winchester and Inland increased the length 217: M1 Carbine Barrel Band Type 3 (Bayonet lug)Used G.I. Inland receivers initially rejected because of an off spec deep hole drilled for the recoil spring and guide, later recovered and altered to use a detachable main spring housing). Find many great new & used options and get the best deals for M1 Carbine, Buttplate I believe to be for Saginaw and Inland. found to indicate this was done by the original manufacturer(s). Serial is 1,870,482 with all parts matching, including wooden stock and top of the receiver. Inland Mfg - Engineering & Presentation Gifts. S-C [stamped sideways] O-S [in curved type] SI SL [circled] Carbines having any other letter(s) on the receiver are beyond the scope of the information on this particular page. Ordnance also inspected It shows light discoloration & spots of soiling on the canvas as well as scrapes on the metal. The hammer is marked SG which was used by Saginaw SG and Irwin-Pedersen (page 89). We got our hands on one of the original MCXs for some testing. The one and only finish approved for use on stocks & handguards was raw linseed oil. Shopping at Guns.com gives you the backing Serial GENERAL MOTORS 12-43. For more information: www.p65warnings.ca.gov. I'm sure it's not all original. They didn't come any other way--period. As with all used firearms, a thorough cleaning may be necessary to meet your maintenance requirements. The above hints are no substitute for a thorough examination of a carbine by someone knowledgeable on the subject. One manufacturer separated out smaller blocks of serial numbers for use by subcontractors who would use these Until then it remains an unknown. Yes this is correct 100% stock even with rebuild mark is about 2-300, https://app.photobucket.com/u/SupraR0-39ecec2fbcbc. The technical storage or access is strictly necessary for the legitimate purpose of enabling the use of a specific service explicitly requested by the subscriber or user, or for the sole purpose of carrying out the transmission of a communication over an electronic communications network. The bore is mint. Everything Stamper G.S. The technical storage or access is necessary for the legitimate purpose of storing preferences that are not requested by the subscriber or user. My S' G' is serial number 1991044 and does not fit within any of the serial number ranges listed. You certain the receiver is S'G'? on your local stores shelf, most retailers drop ship it from a warehouse in Parts wear out, carbines are disassembled for the sale of the parts individually. There is a light import mark on the right side of the barrel. I've had this M1 Carbine for about 20-years. It is a rare M1 Carbine that is 1 part short of being all matching. It is important to remember that the amount of wear on all components, wood and metal, should be consistent. There were 3 basic handguard styles for the carbines M1 & M2, with minor variations by manufacturers that often changed over time. Caliber: .30 Carbine. Need Help?service@guns.comCall (866)582-4867, PO Box 1131 13800 Nicollet Blvd Burnsville, MN 55337 2023Guns.com. The rifling is sharp. The Type IA barrel band is marked UP which was used by Irwin-Pedersen and Saginaw SG (page 59). On the inside it has the longer barrel channel and thicker wood to strengthen the stock. XA through XD was assigned for use by their Engineering Section on carbines built for testing and evaluation by their engineers. We get the FFL from your store others make you find it, copy it, and fax it. The receiver is marked Saginaw S'G', the barrel shows Underwood 8 43 with the bomb underneath. Parkerizing found on such parts is clear evidence that the weapon is not all original. It has seen some use but most of the markings are in great shape. I'm guessing this indicates a Springfield Armory rebuild. Rather than assume the documents were followed to the letter, the serial numbers in tables C-F are presented with the lowest and highest reported to date. 317XXXX. Fun to shoot and ammo is readably available, I have about 400 rounds with it. No matter what you hunt, or what type of gun you prefer to hunt with, Guns.com offers options for everyone. Only Irwin-Pedersen & Saginaw SG receivers were produced with a tooling hole (page 22 of Craig Rieschs book, U.S. M1 Carbines Wartime Production 7th Edition). The carbines used for this purpose were not from inventory submitted to or accepted by the government. block in the same time frame. The trigger group is marked IP on the right rear which is a Irwin-Pedersen mark (page 78). and refurbished carbines and were not permitted to use rebuild marks. then allowed to dry. Boasting classy lines, a well-recognized pedigree, and great ergos for a small all-steel gun, Smith & Wessons take on the Walther PPK/s aimed to revive an old carry king in the increasingly polymer-focused concealed carry market. would be used for the U.S. Carbine Models M1 or M1A1, and some of the M2's, were made well after the receiver was completed as all of these models used the same receiver. Some manufacturers used more than one During the production of their type III stocks in 1945 Winchester changed I'll give you $150.00 for it so you can double your return , That's a beauty! That way, were helping small businesses in 3 3/16" (approx.) serial numbers concurrent to receivers being made by the prime contractor and/or other subcontractors assigned lower or higher serial number blocks. U.S. A brand new condition stock on a carbine with well-used metal components is a sure indication that something is amiss. There are 2 separate Saginaw Gear manufacturers. community. The letter P was also used as an inspection proof mark placed on carbines rebuilt by U.S. Army Ordnance. These marking(s) and their location(s) varied based on needs and/or intent. Generally speaking, there is nothing wrong with a competently restored carbine,ifthe fact it has been restored is passed along to a subsequent purchaser and the weapon is priced accordingly. A little history of Saginaw (S'G') and its carbines. Ordnance Department Acceptance Marks (cartouche), End User Marks added in the years after issue, Some stocks were marked with the crossed cannons only, Some stocks were marked with an inspection mark and crossed cannons, Sometimes the cartouche has worn off over time and use, Many inspection marks and/or crossed cannons were stamped at a slight angle causing a deeper imprint on one side than the other, The inspection mark and crossed cannon designs are specific to the prime contractor who assembled the carbine, The height, width, and positioning of the inspection mark and crossed cannons in relation to one another were also specific to the manufacturer, Replica metal stamps with which to forge or duplicate the cartouches are sold by a number of retailers. A few manufacturers used some serial number blocks out of order. As stated, the overwhelming majority of carbines were overhauled by the government after WWII and many of the original parts replaced by later pattern parts. Stocks made of The metal shows scrapes, scratches, and discoloration from oil residue and oxidation. They are a specialty that Common sense will dictate that a well used stock would not have pristine stock markings. M2 selector switch, it was a type III stock manufactured by Winchester or Inland prior to A few stock and/or carbine restoration WWII "Saginaw" M1 Carbine Converted to a Fully Automatic M2 ConfigurationThis is an example of an original WWII production M1 carbine as produced by the Saginaw Steering Gear Company, that was later converted and registered as a fully automatic M2 type carbine. It will add to your WWII collection. There is no erosion. To provide the best experiences, we use technologies like cookies to store and/or access device information. A few unconverted type III stocks absent the bridge have IP used some Rockola wood at their start up. Many of the marks have damaged small portions of the surface wood. Lock, Stock & Barrel Investments We buy and sell collectible firearms and militaria ranging from the Civil War to Desert Storm, specializing in WW1 & WW2. If inventory ran out it could shut down production. Simi Valley, CA 93065. While there is no substitute for experience when examining a carbine, there are several things to look for that can give valuable clues as to the originality (or lack thereof) of a particular carbine. The rear sight is at the front end of the receiver; it If these are stamped with bogus, but seemingly proper markings, such stocks could appear to be highly desirable mint original stocks. At least one document has been found that indicates Saginaw received Ordnance the first M2 stocks. Serial number blocks were assigned by the Ordnance Department on an as needed basis, generally in response to the awarding of a contract to a given manufacturer. None of the carbines produced by Irwin-Pedersen (IP) were accepted by Ordnance. The M1 Carbine contributed greatly to U.S. efforts during WWII. Receiver or barrel or? fire carbines like the M2's. I purchased this one from a collector freind of mine who told me it was an S' G', but with the information provided here it appears to be incorrect. The bore shows an M.E. The adjustable rear sight came into use sometime before the T4 barrel band and some relatively late production carbines made by several makers were originally fitted with adjustable rear sights. If a receiver has its original barrel and the Barrel Date: March, 1943, Action Type:Semi Auto, Detachable Magazine. Here is one for you. This is not the case because, as stated, as some contractors utilized these parts in later production pieces during the war. In 1942 the Ordinance District requested of General Motors Saginaw Steering Gear Division take over the M1 carbine production assigned to Irwin-Pedersen in Grand Rapids. Although additional woods were approved it does not appear any were manufactured using other than Walnut, Birch, or Cherry. While a competently restored carbine can sometimes be a bit difficult to spot, there are several tell-tale signs that often reveal restoration work. CARBINE / CAL. The barrel has been treated with cold blue. http://m1family.com/general-history-rbine-t33.html, http://www.uscarbinecal30.com/serialnumbers.html. Hi everyone, I acquired a Saginaw M1 carbine from a family member this morning. Serial numbered receivers that failed to pass inspection were set aside as rejects if the defect(s) could not be brought up to minimum standards. Saginaw or Saginaw'. It is a collectible M1 Carbine as the receiver was supplied to Inland by Saginaw Gear. SG on left side of some receivers, not all. They put on the Mauser type rear sight and milled the original rear sight pedestal to reduce glare. Others merely fill the holes with glue of some similar substance and paint the area in an attempt to hide these marks. There are some ethical issues involved in restorations, which is another discussion for another time. The receiver is stamped SAGINAW SG with no dots or other markings between the letters. It is in great shape. The rifling is sharp. Additional markings were sometimes added by end users at some point after the carbines were issued. Black cherry was approved and saw very limited use. For sale is Inland M1 Carbine ser# 3064171. To get better and faster responses and opinions. M1 Carbine Saginaw Type 1A barrel band complete. The magazine release is marked IP-W which was used by Irwin-Pedersen and Saginaw SG (page 100-101). How much is a CMP Garand worth? A M1 GARAND rifle is currently worth an average price of $2,024.47 new and $1,615.82 used . How much is an M1 Garand in 2020? M1C Garand Sniper Model Manufacture date shows 9-43 with barrel date 9-43. I have a Saginaw M1 Carbine. We've been wringing out the SFAR for several weeks and, with the first 500 rounds in the rearview, decided to go for some quiet time. Some restorers have attempted to file down the sight base to reduce or eliminate the punch marks but this normally requires reparkerizing to hide the work. There are a variety of reasons things may have been changed or simply ignored. Sights / Optics:The front sight is a bladed post set between 2 protective wings. The top of the barrel is marked UNDERWOOD / 9 43 and P. The trigger group is a type two pattern with the upright Inland markings on This was not a requirement and it's use or absence varied with location and time. The practice of restoring the overhauled carbines by replacing later and/or non-original parts is a widespread practice among many collectors today. companies intentionally place the inspection mark and crossed cannons in a location and orientation that makes them recognizable as replicas to those familiar with authenticity. I do know it is a really nice M1 and I would not part with it. The barrel is marked "SAGINAW S.G. DIV. As with all used firearms, a thorough cleaning may be necessary to meet your maintenance requirements. This website intentionally omits the information on which manufacturer used which inspection marks, crossed cannons, their size, and their spatial relationship to one another. Stock Configuration & Condition:The two piece hardwood stock has a pistol grip, Type IA barrel band with sling loop, sling well, sling pass through, and metal buttplate. And here are some as yet unidentified maker's marks (Please send me an e-mail if you know for certain who made these. 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